Life in the City: Ministry Spotlight–Worship

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Welcome to the life in the city podcast from Antioch Community Church in Northeast Minneapolis, where we explore what it looks like to be a loving family inviting all people into the life changing way of Jesus Christ.

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We’re glad you’re here.

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Well, welcome back everybody.

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This is our next episode of the Life in the City podcast.

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I’m Coley Waataja.

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And I’m Rachel Love.

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And we are back with another guest.

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We’re rocking it with the guests recently.

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I know.

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This is pretty great.

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Our very own Ryan Mauer.

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The worship team is your title actually worship team coordinator?

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I think it’s coordinator, actually.

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OK, yeah.

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I don’t know why it’s not director.

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It should be director.

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It should.

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We’re just going to call you that.

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Yeah, but.

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Also, more than that, he is probably the most faithful listener of this podcast as.

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Well, #1 fan, in fact.

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It’s quite surreal.

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I’ve listened you guys so much and to sit here in the same room hearing you do the intro.

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It’s pretty cool, actually, so.

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I think it.

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Was like the very first week of the podcast was so supposed to drop like, I don’t think I dropped it to like 8:30 that morning or like 9 or something. And like at like 730, Ryan was like.

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Where’s the podcast?

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I rolled out of bed.

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It’s just that.

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Ever the part.

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Where is it?

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So now I use your job at like 6:30 in the morning and we do not that anybody else would ever listen.

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To it that early, but for our dozens of listeners.

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Right.

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My mom.

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Yes, my dad.

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No, we actually to be actually we don’t know how many people are really listen.

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Thing is, you know you get some analytics, but.

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It’s not quite clear.

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So if you are listening and you have feedback, we would love to hear it.

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You can comment on our Instagram at Antioch Community.

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So it is.

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Antioch community, yeah, and also podcast at antiochcommunity.org. You can e-mail us that.

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Way too there you go.

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Specifically about the podcast.

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It has its own e-mail address.

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It’s legit, but anyway, we’re just.

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I’m just rambling.

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Ryan, why don’t we just start with just tell?

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Us about yourself.

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Who are you?

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I know people that call Antioch home know you as the guy with black skinny jeans and a guitar, but beyond that, yeah.

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It was like a.

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There’s really nothing, nothing left to say.

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That’s it.

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That’s kind of it.

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That is your identity.

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Yeah, man.

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It’s always like, I mean, we’ll get to this later.

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I started a new job recently and like you, had these interview questions.

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It was always tell me about yourself.

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That’s always a tough one, but let’s see. So yeah, I live. I live here in in the Twin Cities with my wife, Monica, and my 1 1/2 year old daughter, Nora.

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And we’re also expecting and we just found out on Friday.

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So it’ll be announcement that it’s going to be.

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A boy.

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Yeah, that’s so exciting.

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Here, here, first on the podcast.

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Yes, this is almost.

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Right now.

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It’s for you.

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That’s great.

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Oh, that’s so fun.

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So we’re we’re expecting our second one in like early February or something like that.

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Yes, congratulations. Oh.

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So that would be a lot of fun.

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Yeah. Yeah. Thanks.

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Oh, that’s so exciting.

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Yeah, let’s see what else we we just bought a.

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House in North Saint Paul.

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We’re moving in this coming weekend, so a lot, a lot of stuff going on.

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It’s it’s been a busy time, but a fun time.

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So you’re expecting a new little one?

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You just started a new job.

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You just got a new house.

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So only a few life transitions happening at one time?

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Yeah, I decide to throw them all in one summer and just get it all over.

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With but.

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It’s done. That’s awesome.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I mean beyond.

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That I’m I’m a I’m a software engineer.

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I work for target, actually, but ironically, what brought us to the Twin Cities was grad school for me in a totally different field.

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Uh, we moved up here in 2018.

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I was going to grad school Concordia in Saint Paul for a doctorate of physical therapy, and about a year into that, I realized that that wasn’t for me.

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It’s kind of a long story.

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If anyone is interested I’d be happy to talk to you about it, but dropped out of that ended up going to a coding bootcamp and I’ve been doing like the software development thing for I guess last.

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2 1/2 three years or so.

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How long were you on the physical therapy track?

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Like was it what you wanted to do in high school, kind of that?

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Yeah, it was actually.

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Was your thing OK?

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So I played sports in high school, played basketball on soccer mostly, had some injuries as part of that, and through like an online athletic trainer, I was able to rehab from those injuries and get back.

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Way faster than I thought I normally would have.

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So after that I went to school at University of Wisconsin, La Crosse for athletic training.

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As part of that, I actually interned with the Green Bay Packers.

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I have a picture if you go back in my Instagram of me and Aaron Rodgers at one point, which is which is kind of fun.

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Oh, wow.

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Oh, wow.

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Does he look homeless at that point?

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OK, just checking.

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This was like 2016 I.

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Think so a little while back.

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And yeah, so I was really going hard down the sports medicine path, was in grad school for physical therapy, like I said.

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So it’s probably a.

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I don’t know.

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I mean six years of school and then, you know, just the planning and you know, applications and all that in high school out of that.

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So it was.

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Yeah, it was.

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It’s a big.

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Life change like we’d we’d moved up.

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Year for that, you know, was a lot of questioning, like why are we here since we’re supposed to do, but I don’t see, like Antioch.

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We’ve been coming to Antioch for a couple years.

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At that time, I decided to leave school without.

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Was a big.

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Encouragement for us to be like, yes, we this wasn’t in vain.

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We found this great church home and all these friends here.

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So that was that was a big help during that time.

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Wow, that’s awesome. Sounds like.

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We should hear more about that another time.

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For sure.

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That’s great.

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What do you do for fun?

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Yeah, for fun.

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I mean, I they keep really busy with with a little one at home so that that’s a lot of fun.

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Just going to parks with her and you guys both have.

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Have young kids so you guys get it.

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That keeps you busy and it is.

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It is fun, but like, but I’m not doing that.

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I’m a huge sports fan.

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Love watching sports.

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So so Wisconsin Sports, Green Bay Packers, Milwaukee Bucks.

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All that last night was watching the Packers game and and like playing music.

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That’s probably like the the obvious one to people.

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That’s it.

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Know it’s most.

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Most visible I suppose on a Sunday more.

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And more than.

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Just playing, do you create music as well?

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Yeah, I do. So I I also create music under the names of car. It’s ZAKAR on Spotify, all caps. And yeah, yeah, it’s it’s it’s like instrumental music.

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We’ll link it in.

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The show notes, that’d be great.

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You might come I I used it to like study two.

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There’s artists similar to the kind of music I make in like.

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High school and college, I’ll listen to that just as I’m studying.

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So like, I want to try my hand at making some of this.

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So yeah, I.

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Have like a few EPS out on Spotify and yeah, so check.

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It out and.

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Give him a follow.

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That’s awesome.

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Uhm, so before we get into like, the actual Antioch worship stuff, that’s that’s only a tiny portion of what you do.

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I mean, we talked about your work like that’s that’s your 40 hours a week and then there’s family and everything else.

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Right.

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How how many hours do you work for antiocha I?

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Don’t know so like.

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I think it’s technically 8.

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It’s such a specific name.

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Right, right.

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I I’m pretty sure it’s eight it we don’t really track which it kind of it kind of averages out dates some weeks or less, some weeks or more depending.

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Yeah, Christmas Easter or not.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Maybe it’s not anymore.

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It depends on what’s going on, but yeah, it’s it’s.

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Like 8 hours, but you specifically coordinate like the worship teams, but also the production side of things like overseeing, like obviously scheduling.

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But almost like our service production as a whole, to make sure things run smoothly, we can hear things that we need to hear.

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We can see things that we need to see.

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Yeah, it is.

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Is that correct?

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I’m actually pretty hands off with that.

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Like, I’m technically in charge of of those guys.

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Like I do the scheduling, but they they do so much of that just on their own, without anything. For me, especially, Kohli’s husband John is like super instrumental, especially with the visuals and live stream and getting all that set up and running.

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But yeah, technically.

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I I am in in charge of that too, so maybe I get the blame if if.

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Something goes wrong, I’ll just beat him.

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They get the credit, you get the blame.

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I’ll take good leadership.

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Uhm, but with.

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So with your.

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It’s what I’m what I’m hearing is like you have a lot of different sides of your brain that you use in different way.

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Like you’re a musician but you’re a software engineer.

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And when we when we talk about worship, it can be really easy to hear.

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Like, Oh yeah, it’s an expression of worship.

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Like, I use my creative gifts.

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It’s an expression of worship.

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But how?

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How does the rest of your life like software engineering, a very just it’s a job.

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You like it, but it’s a job.

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How do you see that?

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As an expression of your faith or of an expression of an active worship?

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Yeah, I mean, yeah, that what you just said there.

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Like, it is an act of worship.

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We can get into this later, but I almost don’t like that.

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That word worship has just like, you hear that word and what comes to mind is just singing, you know, worship music on Sundays or listening to it on Caleb or something like that.

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But it’s so much more, right?

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It’s really like, like your whole life.

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I think it’s in.

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I think it’s in Romans where it talks about like just that, like worship is just like your active of obedience and sacrifice to the Lord, just like with everything you do.

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So so yeah, job is is definitely that for me. You you know, being so, I’ve been working from home for the last 2 1/2 years. I’ve been in the office once just last week.

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As a matter of fact, it was the first time I did that, so it’s been a little bit different to try and think about, you know, how can I worship through my work?

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There’s obviously the aspect of like doing everything as unto the Lord, and that’s something I certainly try and do, but even those relationships have definitely been a little tougher to build.

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Come online but.

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You know, I think just little things.

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Uhm, just like just like talking to coworkers and asking them about their own lives.

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And in building those relationships, you can.

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It’s a little harder remotely, but you can still do that and hopefully, you know, maybe get into some spiritual conversations at some point.

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But sometimes I think even just just being a listening ear for people especially.

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There’s a stereotype of software engineers that we’re very, very introverted, and it’s it’s definitely true.

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I’ve run into some people are honestly quite, quite depressed and quite lonely during this COVID time, like they lived by themselves.

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They would go to the office and see people.

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And this isn’t just software developers.

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There’s a lot of people like this over the last few years and they’re just.

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Yeah, they’re just kind of having a hard time being at home.

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So I think just being able to ask them about their lives and and talk with them and and be your friend for them, that can be an act of worship and and showing compassion and loving people is as God would love them, trying to see them that way so.

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Finally, and I love that you touched on that, worship is more than just song, it’s what you do and work even because I think we see even back to like creation initially we have.

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We see Adam and Eve being given the opportunity to work as a form of worship, but then also participate in this relationship where they walked and talked with God as well.

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And that’s really what we do through song as well.

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We kind of talk to the Lord in that one aspect, but then we also work like you’re doing and working so that.

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For the betterment of our world and for the betterment of others and you’re seeing even an opportunity to better the community that you’re living in by being able to bring relationship into that work as well.

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So that’s great.

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So given that you’ve been learning and all this about worship and what it is and what it can be, take us back to, you know, what has been your experience with worship, even as like you came to know Christ, tell us a little bit about that and then what you’ve been learning about how to reflect.

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Back and how to use song as a form of worship in your own life.

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How much time do we have?

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That’s that’s yeah.

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Yeah, there’s a lot there.

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That’s a good question, though.

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So yeah, I’ll just go back to the beginning.

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Guess so.

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So I grew up in rural Wisconsin, little town called Broqua.

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But if you know where lacrosse is, some people do drill quiz a little bit, a little bit South of there.

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So, so group of pastors.

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Kid there and and in terms of my my faith and and coming to know the Lord, I think I was probably about 6 years old.

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There are these these plays that they had found something called the keys.

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Have you guys heard of that?

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I don’t.

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Maybe it’s just just a local thing basically.

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Do you sleep right?

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I don’t think so.

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It was basically just like.

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He’s that was a like a magazine, I think.

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Oh yeah, that was.

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That’s true.

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Was it was just a play about the Gospel of Life and in death and resurrection of Jesus?

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But there’s like this.

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The kind of the climax of the play is this big thing at the end where it it must be the IT is so long, it must be the Jesus character.

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Like, literally, like, takes the keys to death in Haiti.

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From the Satan character, it’s like this epic moment and music is playing, everyone cheering.

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Was it set to a song by Lifehouse?

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It could have been.

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You’re having a flashback.

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I am so like high school youth group of like drop.

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We had like a drama team and we would do like different things that.

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To me is like, OK, sorry.

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Yeah, it might want to Google this later and.

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Try. I’m sure it’s on YouTube or something.

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Yeah, somebody find it and send it.

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Yeah, yeah, there’s this.

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Play and afterwards on the way home I just remember asking my dad and my parents some more questions about.

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I don’t remember the questions I was asking, honestly, just that I was curious about some things.

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I think it was that Sunday in church.

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My dad was preaching, you know, kind of prayed the sinners prayer and that’s when I I think I was, I was saved at that point.

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I think I was old enough to have a level of understanding of my sin and and what Jesus had done for me and dying.

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For my sins.

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So I I mean, I grew up in that church, that same church, my whole life.

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In terms of like getting into worship ministry, I was probably about 12 years old and I just started picking up the.

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Guitar a little bit.

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And as an electric guitar, actually, and you know, if we go back that long ago, electric guitars in church or like a still little bit tad, we’re kind of like drums.

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Oh yeah, you were a rebel.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I was the first electric guitar.

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The church had ever seen.

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I was just strumming like super super clean chords, just playing along with whoever the worship leader was playing.

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So I just, I I just kind of played guitar all throughout high school in this church.

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I actually never LED anything till it was in college.

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I was at this Bible camp, living Waters Bible camp.

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I kind of described it as like, so shamina is like, you know, this big Christian camp in Minnesota, living waters.

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Is what Shannon is to Minnesota.

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It is to like SW Wisconsin.

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So it’s it’s kind of a well known Bible camp in that area.

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And the the guy I was going to help out lead worship, but just again, kind of just play guitar like I’ve always done.

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And the guy was like Brian, he’s like, you should, you know, just lead the whole thing.

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It was a boys camp, like 7th through 9th grade boys.

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I like, no, I don’t like, I don’t sing.

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I’m not gonna do that.

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Like, Oh yeah, by the end of the.

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Week you’ll just.

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Be doing like OK, I didn’t think I would.

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Somehow I remember how exactly.

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But then I was.

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Like 2 days in just, yeah, just.

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You were volentold.

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Kind of doing the thing, and I never really like sang before.

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And it was it.

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Was pretty rough, I remember, like.

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When you’re just starting off trying to like.

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Like learn to play guitar and sing it.

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It can be hard to find the right like what key to start the song even though you’re playing the chords.

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It’s like, what note am I actually supposed to hit your?

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It’s there.

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Multiple songs?

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I’m pretty sure I lead the whole thing.

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So you don’t want to sound like a middle school boy as you’re singing it in your voice like crap because it’s too high.

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Yeah, maybe that’s why it.

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Worked because we all just sounded horrible.

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Everyone ranges was five notes.

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Yes, every songs are just like in the totally wrong key is is pretty bad, but you know, it’s a good place to learn ’cause the stakes are really low, right?

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So so after that just start leading worship in that church that I grew up in and even in.

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So I went to college at in lacrosse.

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So it wasn’t super far away.

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So I come home on weekends.

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And lead to it’s really kind of, I guess you could say cut my.

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Teeth in in that setting was a great place to learn great mentors for me.

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People been leading for much longer and you know, much more experienced in in the faith than I was.

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So there’s is a really, really great experience and then honestly, my next time, you know, I had a couple of years.

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Often, as in grad school, my next time really, truly leading was was coming to antiok.

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Oh, wow.

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UM, so.

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So yeah, so I guess the rest of the story.

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Everyone, everyone here.

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Is it’s kind of scene, but yeah, it’s cool.

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I’m so thankful for that.

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That guy.

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His name is Keith, who kind of forced me, forced me into this way.

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It’s something I really enjoy now and like, I don’t think I’d be.

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I’d be sitting here if it wasn’t for for that guy, so really thankful for him.

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That’s awesome.

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I love stories to have.

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People that were just like, no, no, no, you should just do this and it’s a low stakes thing for him.

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It’s low stakes for you in the moment, but it sets off a trajectory of a whole life, which is awesome.

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Right.

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Yeah, that’s so cool and totally what like.

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I think discipleship is, you know, it’s like it doesn’t have to be all these major moments, but it’s these.

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Little opportunities that you know that people.

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Just take and.

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Some people, sometimes you step up and you know if you had fallen flat on your face after that week like, all right?

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Some 7th graders thought it wasn’t the best music ever.

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Who cares?

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We’ll put down about it by now, yeah.

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They will not.

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Remember it?

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Oh, but yeah, that’s awesome.

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So as you’ve come into Antioch then and you know, you were on the team for a while and now you’re leading it and, uh.

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Talk a big picture a little bit like what is your general like philosophy of worship and how does.

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Quote UN quote worship ministry. What is that? Why do we call it that?

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Uhm and yeah, what are what’s your like general philosophy of of this whole idea of worship?

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Yeah, I mean, even.

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And again, I like.

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I keep saying the term worship ministry, but I even like.

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I’ve even talked to like, oh, we should change the name to be like, praise team.

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Some churches called that ’cause.

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Like I really do think.

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There’s been harm done by that ’cause like everyone.

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We just think I mentioned this order.

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We just think of worship as as singing.

00:18:28

And in fact, I did like if you look in in the Bible, rarely if ever is that word worship tide with song.

00:18:36

It’s always something with praise and like, praise and worship.

00:18:38

Those two words are you know, there’s a lot of overlap between those definitions.

00:18:41

There’s a lot of action tide to worship, so maybe even like thinking through like yes, and we give.

00:18:47

Our size and offerings, that’s an act of worship on Sundays as well.

00:18:50

Yes, absolutely.

00:18:51

There’s lots of things we do that are acts of worship outside of singing.

00:18:55

And like, we’ll say that we’ll be like, oh, we’re going to worship through prayer, through like preaching of the word.

00:19:00

But I think that’s we’ve just been kind of those who grow up in the church have been just kind of conditioned to think of it as that.

00:19:06

So I’ll get off my.

00:19:07

High Horse now, but.

00:19:07

We’ll be looking for a title change and updating the website when you tell us, yeah.

00:19:10

No, but I mean.

00:19:12

No, it’s not a high horse at all.

00:19:13

I think.

00:19:13

It’s there’s all these things in culture that, like, we don’t recognize that we’ve kind of accepted until we.

00:19:20

Start to recognize it.

00:19:21

So even I know we were just talking about this the other day about announcements.

00:19:25

Like, we don’t just want it to be a billboard, like a series of Dr Bys, you know, messages that, oh, by the way, you should know this.

00:19:33

Like, no, this is actually.

00:19:35

How are announcements on Sunday an act of worship?

00:19:38

Because they are sharing what’s going on in the life of this family.

00:19:42

You know, we’re celebrating or gathering for.

00:19:43

Like family Life, News and celebrations together instead of just calling it announcements.

00:19:46

Yeah, yeah.

00:19:49

And I know you and I and I think the guys to like try to make an ounce.

00:19:54

Communicated in that way like, OK, we’re going to praise God through announcements now and then we’re going to transition to praising God through singing, you know?

00:20:04

But yeah, it is.

00:20:05

Even so, you still hear the word worship and you’re like, OK, it’s songs.

00:20:09

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:20:11

But yeah, so so when it does come to this to praise ministry.

00:20:18

What’s your general philosophy or on that or how?

00:20:20

Do you think about it?

00:20:24

So I think so maybe we’ll just frame it as like singing at this point, ’cause.

00:20:28

I think that’s really what it is like if you look in in Scripture.

00:20:32

I I forget the actual number. I think it’s like 400 times or something. Singing is mentioned often. It’s like a command from God, like Sing, Sing praises, you know old Testament’s even in the New Testament.

00:20:43

And singing.

00:20:47

I mean, clearly it’s something that that God loves, right ’cause.

00:20:50

It’s mentioned so many times, but I think, like, there’s just such a a practical application for our lives as like individuals and as a church.

00:20:58

And I’ve always said that singing.

00:21:01

In like the church context, I guess.

00:21:03

And really even with secular songs too.

00:21:05

But it’s just our emotional connection.

00:21:07

Them to the truth, right ’cause God made music, he made song, he made our, he made us, and he made our hearts and our minds to respond to.

00:21:17

To come to music into singing in a certain way, and I think it it draws us closer to him, it draws us closer to to one another.

00:21:26

So, so I think that’s one of the the big things if you think about singing too like.

00:21:32

I think it helps us to remember.

00:21:34

Truths and words better. So if you think about some so many times, we’ll use it as a way to help us remember things like like ABC’s right, sing the ABC’s like, I’ve remembered that since I was three years old.

00:21:47

You know, I never sing it anymore except for I need to like get to W I’m like where is W at in this thing?

00:21:52

Alphabetizing something, yeah.

00:21:52

But like, there’s something so powerful, like with our memories and singing.

00:21:57

So on Sundays we gather together and we sing these truths of who God is and what he’s done for us, I think.

00:22:04

Just we remember them, and we internalize those things differently than if we were just hearing Andy or or someone else preached the word to us.

00:22:13

So I guess.

00:22:14

Yeah, that that’s kind of a, you know, big one of the motivations I think for for singing is just that kind of emotional connection to that it gives us to.

00:22:23

The truth of.

00:22:24

Of God so.

00:22:25

Thank you.

00:22:26

Go ahead.

00:22:27

I hear you saying it’s almost like we’re gospel ING ourselves every time we’re getting together.

00:22:31

And I know we are very familiar with the fact that we sing as adults in the service and we have kids with us and that too, but also just want to shout out our kids men leaders too, because they’re doing songs with the kids too.

00:22:43

And I think we are all testaments of the fact that those songs will stick with you.

00:22:48

Their whole.

00:22:49

Life sometimes.

00:22:50

And I know both of you do this with your kids too, because I’ve watched Ryan, your daughter Nora and even like on your little list of like how to put her to bed, you guys had like she sings, Jesus loves me before she goes to bed and.

00:23:00

Yeah, yeah.

00:23:01

Doc, I think sing the same song to me today.

00:23:03

He also sang Romans 8 one and two to me through music today.

00:23:09

Mr Sherry.

00:23:09

And I was like this little 2 year old has now memorized like passages of Scripture and so whether.

00:23:15

It’s to be fair he doesn’t quite have articulated the word condemnation.

00:23:20

You know, he’s got a lot of it.

00:23:22

Yeah, yeah.

00:23:22

He’ll get it, but I think it’s amazing how even from like childhood to adulthood.

00:23:28

Did those things stick with us?

00:23:31

And I’m sure you guys are all testaments to it like the songs that we listen to in middle school that it’s like, I don’t why do I still remember the words to this song back from like 6th grade that we listened to in this person basement, but like.

00:23:44

It’s just playing overhead in target, yeah?

00:23:47

I’m transported, right?

00:23:49

But songs stick with you in a way that other things don’t, and you know there’s different senses.

00:23:54

Obviously some smells will bring back memories, but some songs will have deep emotional connections and I love that you talked about.

00:24:01

Music is almost like a way for us to emotionally and relationally connect to God.

00:24:05

And he designed it.

00:24:06

That way, and I think it’s beautiful.

00:24:08

So what I was going to ask you is like in from the perspective of.

00:24:15

The congregation why is it important to sing with the band?

00:24:22

Yeah, ’cause, you guys sound great on Sundays.

00:24:24

As opposed to.

00:24:24

And like what if?

00:24:25

I what if I Can’t Sing?

00:24:27

I just, I like to listen.

00:24:29

Or just watch read the words.

00:24:32

Stand silently.

00:24:34

And I think, like, all three of us are musical, and so we kind of have the bend toward like, of course we’d sing, but like, not everybody.

00:24:43

Either enjoys that or thinks they can, or feels like they have anything to contribute like.

00:24:49

Why does it but we I think we’ve sort of answered it.

00:24:51

But, like, why does it matter that the congregation sings?

00:24:57

Yeah, I think, I think we kind of, I think we have kind of answered, but there’s I think another direction we can go.

00:25:02

I I think it’s in, it’s mentioned multiple times.

00:25:04

I think one is in Colossians where it talks about.

00:25:08

Yeah, singing to one another.

00:25:10

So not only are we singing to come to God as he’s as he’s commanded many times in in scripture, but there’s this aspect of we’re singing to one another, which is kind of a weird way to think about it, said something like you just you’re not just like I.

00:25:24

Just gotta sing to you, Kohli.

00:25:26

That’d be pretty strange, right?

00:25:28

We’ve entered into the musical portion of our podcast.

00:25:33

First, get the guitars.

00:25:36

But yeah, this aspect of of saying to one another that I think can can build build each other up.

00:25:43

So I think about UM.

00:25:45

I don’t know, say.

00:25:47

Say I’m sitting across I’m sorry next to someone who I know is struggling with something and and maybe they’re struggling to see, to see God working in their life or they’re going through a hard time and like yesterday we’re saying great is that faithfulness?

00:26:01

I I think it just it can be so encouraging for me as a congruent to see them.

00:26:07

Singing that song and encouraging themselves.

00:26:10

So I think that’s that’s one of the reasons I it’s it’s really helpful if we if we’re all all participate.

00:26:17

I think it it brings us closer together I think there’s.

00:26:20

I think it unifies the church because we’re we’re singing these truths that have been true, they’re true for us.

00:26:26

They’ve been true for people for for all time.

00:26:30

You know, in theory, if we’re singing the right songs, you know they’re true for for all time.

00:26:34

And I think can just be a really unifying thing.

00:26:37

Just look around the room and everybody is singing.

00:26:40

You know, again, at Greated side, faithfulness great.

00:26:42

Are you Lord together proclaiming who God is and who he’s always been?

00:26:47

You said they’re kind of brash, brushed by it.

00:26:49

But if we’re singing the right songs, so how do you, how do you choose songs?

00:26:55

How do you decide what’s our, what is our Canon, so to speak of?

00:27:00

Yeah, of music.

00:27:01

Do you just, like, think, OK, love does us.

00:27:03

We should do it too.

00:27:04

Like what?

00:27:05

Yeah, the Top 40, excuse me, but we, yeah, actually if we, I don’t know if we do any Top 40 stuff right now.

00:27:05

What is your what is your philosophy there?

00:27:14

Yeah, it’s it’s tough.

00:27:16

It honestly feels sometimes like I don’t have a good analogy for it, but it’s like.

00:27:22

It’s like digging through.

00:27:25

I don’t be charitable to songwriters like digging through to trash to find to find the good things right ’cause a lot of the songs you hear on the radio I don’t think are are the best for a group of 100 people of all different ages and musical experiences and interests and abilities to be seeing it on a Sunday morning.

00:27:45

So for me, it’s just, you know, I try to keep up with with the latest and greatest but also look back at at some older stuff in older hymns and just see, OK, what is what is going to be good for for our group ’cause, there’s yeah, I mean I’d.

00:27:57

Yeah, there’s a lot of new songs that come.

00:27:58

Others like, we’re just not going to do this sometimes, need to give my wife a shout out a new song, maybe a new song like in terms of its release date, but a new one to me, like, Oh my God, we should do it.

00:28:08

So I.

00:28:08

Get all excited.

00:28:08

She’s like, no, Ryan, it’s not gonna for like, I I get too into it sometimes.

00:28:13

I, like lose the perspective of maybe someone just in their congregation.

00:28:17

So she’s she’s really helpful for that, but yeah in terms of.

00:28:20

Like just a little more.

00:28:22

Objectively speaking, what I look for, there’s really, there’s really two things.

00:28:27

One first and foremost, it has to be something that’s that’s theologically sound and and accurate, right?

00:28:35

We don’t wanna be singing here, so it’s like a really low bar to clear.

00:28:39

Secondly, this is something I I still work on myself is I I want us to be singing.

00:28:46

A wide variety of themes, I think too.

00:28:49

So not just these like really celebratory songs where where everything is great, we’re praising God, there’s definitely we need those songs.

00:28:57

But I think, and this is something I want to try and.

00:29:00

Uhm, talking myself or something I want to try and doing more as more songs about like like suffering or songs about lament.

00:29:07

You know, there’s maybe darker places of our Christian walk that we don’t often sing about, but I think can can be really powerful too. And and I don’t know what I’m at #2 or #3, I think Matt.

00:29:20

Will it be like it has to be a catchy song like we mentioned?

00:29:22

Singability level.

00:29:23

Like, yeah, the reason ABC sticks with us is ’cause.

00:29:26

There’s a certain catchiness to it, right?

00:29:28

So it has to be something that’s going to stick with you that people can sing along too.

00:29:32

So it’s easy to, you know, you should be able to sing these, you know, ideally by the end of A to make it to the last course of a song you’ve never heard before.

00:29:40

The hope is that.

00:29:41

You’d be able to already kind of pick up on it and and start singing along to it.

00:29:44

So it’s really kind of those three has to, you know, theologically sound.

00:29:48

It ideally should.

00:29:50

We shouldn’t be singing the same themes for four songs every Sunday and you know, 52 weeks a year and then something that’s catchy that hopefully people can can sing along with us on.

00:30:02

That’s awesome.

00:30:03

I love that.

00:30:04

So if you I heard you say you want a lot of these songs to be able to be sung by people in many different contexts or demographics within our our church family.

00:30:15

And it makes me think of our church mission statement that we strive to be a loving family, inviting all people into the life changing way of Jesus Christ.

00:30:24

So how do you see worship?

00:30:26

Through singing, being a part of that bigger mission of antiok, of being a loving family, inviting all people into a life changing way of Jesus Christ?

00:30:36

Yeah, that’s a good question and.

00:30:38

I think worship ministry can unfortunately sometimes.

00:30:42

Hinder that like if you walk in in the Sunday and the and that it’s it’s dark and there’s smoke and I mean we’re never going to do this but it you you’ve probably all been there heard of these.

00:30:53

These and there’s like, there’s a place for that.

00:30:54

It’s it’s not all bad, but I think it can be.

00:30:57

It can be so good where it doesn’t become whelping welcoming to somebody.

00:31:01

It can also be so bad where.

00:31:05

Ever. Just you’re super distracted.

00:31:06

Like, why am I here?

00:31:07

Like the kids.

00:31:08

Like mom.

00:31:08

Can we go home?

00:31:11

So I think doing worship that is.

00:31:15

That is excellent to it to a certain degree that is contextually appropriate to the church, and where you’re at can be a way to to make people.

00:31:25

You know, we don’t always want people to feel comfortable necessarily, but I think if you’re a new person coming in, you certainly don’t want to be alienated instantly.

00:31:33

Went by the 1st discomfort.

00:31:34

Also not.

00:31:35

Of the first note, exactly, exactly.

00:31:35

The goal. So yeah, yeah.

00:31:37

If you’re going to be uncomfortable, I hope it’s because of the gospel, not because of our musicality.

00:31:41

Yeah, yes, exactly.

00:31:43

But yeah, being challenged by by some theme or something I.

00:31:46

Think that you.

00:31:47

Know back to the picking songs things.

00:31:49

Sometimes we will.

00:31:50

Compromise isn’t the right word, ’cause we’re.

00:31:52

Still seeing good ones.

00:31:53

But we will sing.

00:31:54

I will literally look at the top songs that are being sung at churches across the country and I think like goodness of God, King of Kings.

00:32:03

I would probably do these anyways, but those are good ones because in theory, if you’ve been in any church context, you’ve probably heard those.

00:32:09

They’re huge songs, ever.

00:32:10

Across the world is singing these, so hopefully something like that would help you feel more, more comfortable and more at home if you’re just checking out our church.

00:32:20

Something I appreciate is that you have.

00:32:23

You have really, uh, in a good way limited the number are like the number of.

00:32:28

Songs we choose from.

00:32:32

I’ve well, I’m quoting someone else, but I’ll keep it anonymous.

00:32:36

Just ’cause.

00:32:36

I don’t know who listens, because it’s not necessarily a bad thing.

00:32:39

But someone once said to me, yeah, that worship leader really takes seriously, they sing a new.

00:32:43

Song to the Lord.

00:32:45

More part of the command because they were picking new songs like every single week.

00:32:49

This was not at Antioch.

00:32:51

But you know what that means is that you never learn them.

00:32:54

You can never, like, sing them freely.

00:32:57

You’re just constantly thinking about learning words.

00:32:59

And so I’ve really appreciated how you have.

00:33:02

Brought you you systematically bring in new songs, but also keep it.

00:33:07

You have a limit to like.

00:33:09

Let’s keep familiar there.

00:33:10

Let’s bring in new as needed or important.

00:33:16

But yeah, it’s not this constantly learning a new song and a new melody in a new.

00:33:21

You know, that’s like the.

00:33:22

The Jeremiah 2911 thing, but.

00:33:24

Like for worship leaders, like ripped out of context.

00:33:25

Yeah, this.

00:33:27

New song.

00:33:30

Yeah, I mean all these like worship leader groups on Facebook or people always bringing up that verse and.

00:33:35

Yeah, yeah.

00:33:36

I think, yeah.

00:33:37

It is important I think to have a have a smaller set list that especially because I think we probably agree at like the church, like our gathering is primarily for like believers, right.

00:33:47

And for our own fellowship, we want to be extremely welcoming to outsiders.

00:33:52

I I also want our own people to be able to sing every song with.

00:33:55

With confidence and have it stick with them.

00:33:57

And so yeah, I’m glad that’s been helpful.

00:34:00

And I can see you’ve cast that vision well because while you are the worship and productions coordinator, you’re over the team as a whole.

00:34:08

You also have leaders that you have set within your team as well who lead on Sundays like.

00:34:14

One of them is in this room.

00:34:15

Yeah, koliwada.

00:34:17

Je I’m the pole in case of emergency.

00:34:18

Yeah, yeah.

00:34:21

It’s been more emergencies last couple years and we would like.

00:34:23

Hey, that’s alright. That’s alright.

00:34:25

I’m good in a pinch.

00:34:26

Yeah, yeah.

00:34:27

You’re good. Period. But.

00:34:29

Uh, but Louisa, Noring, Eva or or even James in LA we’ve had like people who from within our church family.

00:34:38

You have allowed to be on stage leading our church family in song, and it doesn’t always need to be you, which I appreciate because you’re inspiring others to see the the ministry, the mission, the vision, and how they can encourage others to worship as well.

00:34:54

So knowing that you have put together some teams, but you know that there are more giftings within our church family of people that could use their gifts to bless the church through song.

00:35:06

What would somebody need to do if they wanted to get involved in our music Ministry, Praise ministry or productions?

00:35:16

Yes, like if if you’re listening and and you you play an instrument.

00:35:20

Or maybe you sing.

00:35:21

Doesn’t have to be.

00:35:22

Maybe someone in your household has a skill that is maybe just not being used.

00:35:27

Yeah, yeah, totally.

00:35:27

Latent skills, yeah.

00:35:28

In fact, I’ll answer this by telling a story about how I got involved so like I had played for.

00:35:33

Uhm, yeah.

00:35:34

Like I mentioned, I grew up playing worship teams for many years and I came here, I saw people on stage and I was like, like, these guys are way too good.

00:35:42

I was like, I’m not gonna like.

00:35:44

Be able to.

00:35:45

Because we did and we still do.

00:35:46

But you know, some some really talented people here.

00:35:49

You know, but even me, who’d, you know, a lot of experience, I I was still felt kind of intimidated by that.

00:35:53

So if you’re listening, just wanna let.

00:35:55

You know, don’t feel intimidated, will really take and can work with.

00:36:00

Within reason, a lot of different lot of different skill levels, right.

00:36:04

And even if you you don’t feel like you’re you’re totally ready for the worship team we could still there’s different resources and stuff I I have that I could could give you and work with you to, to get to the point you would feel confident playing on teams.

00:36:17

But yeah, just just come up to me Sunday morning.

00:36:20

After service, if you’re more comfortable with e-mail or something, I think my emails on the website.

00:36:25

Ryan dot Maurer I’m so bad at.

00:36:29

Checking. So that’s why maybe?

00:36:29

And the MPI community, just just e-mail Rachel.

00:36:31

Nick.org.

00:36:33

Just that’s yeah, Rachel will slack.

00:36:35

Forwarded along.

00:36:35

Me and then we’ll, yeah, we’ll go from there.

00:36:38

But yeah, we’re always looking for more people.

00:36:41

It’s a great way to get involved in the church I’ve over the years I’ve found that it can becomes its own little community group.

00:36:47

In some ways, it’s kind of your own little little tribe.

00:36:51

I’ve gotten to know some of my best friends.

00:36:53

In Antioch are people who I’ve met on the worship team and serving alongside each other.

00:36:57

So yeah, we’d love to have.

00:36:59

Anyone else?

00:37:00

Yeah, well, so when it comes to there’s the team and then there’s the worship leader.

00:37:05

’cause like the team gets told what to play.

00:37:08

And how to play it for the most part.

00:37:11

But what?

00:37:12

What do you think is like, let’s say, essential?

00:37:14

If you could boil it down to like, there’s a lot of things that are nice to have as a worship leader or to be.

00:37:20

But what is?

00:37:21

What do you think are the most important things that a worship leader like you or me or Eva or like?

00:37:26

What are you looking for in a potential worship leader?

00:37:29

Or what do you think a worship leader needs to cultivate?

00:37:32

Skill wise, character wise in themselves to to really do the job well.

00:37:38

Yeah, that’s a good question.

00:37:41

It’s funny, ’cause.

00:37:42

It’s it’s what I’ve thought about before, but recently I feel like it’s just been like, oh.

00:37:45

At this point, I’ll just take you off anyway.

00:37:48

Right, ’cause, I was looking for more people, but yeah, that that’s a good thing to think about, I think.

00:37:52

I mean, first and foremost they have to have a a relationship with the Lord, right?

00:37:57

I think that’s, I think that’s obvious.

00:37:59

You know, there’s a certain musical skill level that’s always ideal, I think.

00:38:05

Like a simple way of thinking about it, like if.

00:38:07

You feel you could just.

00:38:08

With yourself and your instrument.

00:38:11

Just lead on a Sunday morning. You could probably lead A-Team as well and and playing along with them.

00:38:17

Yeah, there’s like administrative things that are helpful to have too ’cause you gotta like be the one to to pick the songs and and put him in planning center in a timely manner and the call out who’s leading the songs.

00:38:27

Yeah, it’s timely manner.

00:38:28

That’s wonderful.

00:38:29

The bane of rachels.

00:38:31

No, I’m kidding.

00:38:32

You’re usually very good at it.

00:38:33

Right, right.

00:38:36

What else?

00:38:37

Yeah, I mean I think those are those are part of the big ones, you know, it’s.

00:38:42

An area that I am not super strong and I would say is just it’s not really a bad thing, but I think it is helpful sometimes to have a more charismatic personality up there.

00:38:55

It can be described but sometimes it is nice to have like people like I think I’ll call it Kerry Easter does a great job with this I’ve.

00:39:02

I’ve always admired how like.

00:39:05

She is in and singing, but not distracting.

00:39:09

I I think it just really encourages people on their congregation.

00:39:12

That’s just not something even in private, but just not how I’m wired.

00:39:16

So I think that’s always like a nice to have if people are a little bit more expressive in that way.

00:39:24

All right, here’s my final question for you.

00:39:26

I know how you often ministered to our church through leading music and song.

00:39:33

That’s very visible.

00:39:34

But how do you, as a member of Antioch, feel cared for or ministered to by the rest of Antioch?

00:39:40

What would wait?

00:39:41

What are ways that?

00:39:42

You feel like you are ministered to by our church family.

00:39:46

Yeah, I mean honestly by by the two of you in this room.

00:39:50

I would probably start with like Coley is our our Community group leader.

00:39:54

Her and her husband, John.

00:39:55

You guys.

00:39:56

And that’s maybe one of the main ways and I think that’s just kind of Antioch’s mission like the community groups are very core that it’s been a great.

00:40:04

Great experience being in her group and being in fellowship with people that way.

00:40:08

I I think through what you’ve done Rachel and Matt kind of leading our ministry team leaders so we would meet I think we used to meet monthly.

00:40:17

Maybe we’ll go down now, but you know just sharing sharing devotional thoughts and encouraging us and.

00:40:24

And now they are our personal walks to the Lord, but also in our our leadership role at Church has been really great and you know, just also the normal stuff like sermons on Sundays and fellowship.

00:40:36

With with other believers has been great.

00:40:39

So like I said when I left.

00:40:41

Uh, my, my left physical therapy school.

00:40:43

I was kind of questioning, you know, why did we move three hours away from family to come up here and really like this church?

00:40:51

We kind of came back to as like a an anchoring point as to a reason why God has let us, let us here despite, you know, a big career change along the way.

00:41:00

So yeah, really thankful for for you both and this whole church.

00:41:06

Oh, well, thank you very much.

00:41:08

Yeah, that was not a question fishing for compliments, but.

00:41:10

No, it wasn’t, but it was very, very thoughtful.

00:41:12

Thank you.

00:41:13

I will say as as a worship leader, I think one thing you’ve.

00:41:16

Done and and.

00:41:19

Well, we’ve already kind of talked about it, but you have a great sense of of the communal aspect of worship.

00:41:26

It’s not performance, it’s not just, you know, a show or whatever.

00:41:30

Uhm, but one of the little technical things that you’ve done that has aided in that is, well, you’re you’re great with the organizational stuff.

00:41:37

So, like you got us in ear monitors, which this is all inside baseball.

00:41:42

So if you don’t, if you don’t play instruments, this you can.

00:41:44

I don’t know if this will mean anything, but the difference between having in ear monitors versus these boxes on the floor?

00:41:50

They yell at you.

00:41:51

That you then have to ask the person in the back to keep changing and people share and you have to like disagree on what is needed and now we have them in our ears, but that it’s amazing we can control it ourselves.

00:42:02

Praise God for.

00:42:03

Technology, but what you’ve also added as an audience mic?

00:42:06

Because then, once ’cause, the downside of in ear mikes is that you then get like you’re in your own little box.

00:42:13

You don’t hear the group.

00:42:16

And then when you added this that audience mic, there’s this tiny little mic next to the beam that the leader stands next to.

00:42:23

And it faces out into the congregation, and that MIC feeds the congregational singing into the band’s ears.

00:42:31

It is one of the channels that we can control.

00:42:33

Did you?

00:42:33

Even know this, rich.

00:42:34

I knew it only because there was one week that I think my husband and I and I.

00:42:39

Our six month old daughter sat towards the front of the auditorium and I think our daughter’s.

00:42:44

Screeching slash singing might have made it into those in ear monitors for the worship team.

00:42:49

That’s great. Yeah.

00:42:51

And so then I told Jill we should sit a little bit farther back each week so they don’t just hear Abigail’s wailing.

00:42:57

That’s hilarious. I love that.

00:42:58

Besides the kids in front?

00:43:00

Like, drop a toy really loud.

00:43:01

It’s like, boom, it’s like right there in in your brain.

00:43:04

That’s funny, my my kid just steals it and starts to sing Twinkle twinkle every single time we’re here.

00:43:10

Yeah, my daughter.

00:43:11

Will walk up to me like dog.

00:43:12

Right.

00:43:15

Man, OK.

00:43:16

Yeah, that does make.

00:43:16

I do.

00:43:17

But it.

00:43:18

A difference?

00:43:18

I mean, like I used to just like use one ear so that I could hear the group, you know?

00:43:21

But then you sacrifice the whole benefit.

00:43:24

But to be able to hear the congregation sing back, I think is just such a gift when you’re on stage two, yeah.

00:43:31

It’s been really helpful for.

00:43:33

People who may not.

00:43:34

Like, till they understand.

00:43:35

It’s like imagine being on stage with like earplugs in.

00:43:39

That’s basically what it sounds like.

00:43:41

You’d really can’t hear people singing a whole lot.

00:43:44

You hear yourselves.

00:43:45

But that’s about it.

00:43:47

So yeah, I’ve been, I was meaning to add that for a while, and I think it’s been really helpful.

00:43:51

So my most favorite times leading have been since we’ve added that ’cause I can.

00:43:54

Actually hear people singing, which is the.

00:43:56

Whole point for.

00:43:57

Doing that otherwise.

00:44:00

It just feels like we’re back to the the live stream only days which we would not like to go back to.

00:44:05

So yeah, it’s been great.

00:44:07

I’m glad it’s been helpful for you, Coley.

00:44:09

Yeah, well, hey, this has been awesome.

00:44:11

Thank you, Ryan, for sticking around this.

00:44:14

We’re doing this in the evening ’cause.

00:44:15

He has a real job.

00:44:18

But this has been great again.

00:44:20

If anybody wants to get involved in worship ministry, reach out to any of us.

00:44:24

Grab Brian on a Sunday morning.

00:44:27

Show up on a Sunday morning with an instrument.

00:44:28

We can probably figure it out.

00:44:30

I don’t know.

00:44:31

And we’d love to get you guys involved as well.

00:44:34

With that, I think we will.

00:44:36

See you all next week.

00:44:38

Have a great week antihack.

00:44:42

Is there?

00:44:45

By both our leaders.

00:44:52

This has been the life in the city podcast brought to you by Antioch Community Church in northeast Minneapolis. Join our worship service at 10:00 AM on Sundays in the Waterbury Building or contact us at podcast@antiochcommunity.org. Thanks for listening. We’ll see you next time.